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    • CommentAuthorazchn0
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2011
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    Err, yeah... Pretty new to the whole thing and was wondering why the general consensus seems to be that DSLRs aren't very good for filming - even if it does the standard 1080p.

    Also, what would be some suitable alternatives for no budget projects preempting the arrival of my iMac because I really do like the versatility you get of switching the lenses. It would be cool to get at least some basic understanding.

    We don't learn this in journalism - so thanks!

    • CommentAuthorMuzmon
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2011
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    Who's consensus would that be? Many DSLRs will give you a picture quality better than that of a dedicated video camera costing nearly ten times as much.
    They have some shortcomings: They are not that easy to operate. They have no or limited autofocus. And they can often only shoot for a limited amount of time per 'clip' (about 10-12 minutes at a time in Canons).
    For home video, long events, news or field work (documentaries) they aren't really suited. But otherwise they offer no difficulties filmmakers have not had to deal with since the inception of filmmaking itself.

    • CommentAuthordrneolao
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2011
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    Agree with Muzmon - you have to know the capabilities (and the limits) of the tool you use.

    I've just gotten into using my dSLR for video (ordered a shoulder mount today). I've been practising a bit (only test footage, nothing worth sharing). I reckon they are great for music videos because that format tends to have shorter shots anyway.

    Right about not being much good for long format events. DV tape is better because you can record until the batteries run dry.

    Beware the "cheap" HD cameras (especially off eBay out of HK) because the majority suffer from the dreaded "jello effect". What are you trying to film, azchn0?

    • CommentAuthordrneolao
    • CommentTimeJun 22nd 2011
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    Just a word of warning for those who have a dSLR and are thinking of using it for video - don't skimp on the memory card! If you've already paid out for a the big camera, don't cut yourself short by trying to save a few dollars on a cheap card.

    Get a decent one from a reputable seller as you want to make sure it keeps up with the data from the camera and you don't want it to fail at the end of a day's shooting...

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    DSLRs cant be all bad. Lucas was examining them for airbourne cames for his remake of The Tuskegee Airmen.

    Look up www.philipbloom.co.uk. Also search for american DoP Shane Hurlbut. He has two websites. You need to find his blog website.

    The cameras can be a bit of a headache to work with. Like other A/V tools you have to learn to live within its means.

    • CommentAuthorazchn0
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2011
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    Oh sorry guys, didn't see all the comments until just now - thought this forum was dead. Thanks for your replies.

    I talked to my stepdad/camera repair guy the other day and he reckons it might have something to do with getting the full frame when it's being recorded? I'm not entirely sure; digital supposedly doesn't capture as well as DV but I guess that's another issue entirely.

    I'm just interested in DSLRs for their flexibility when it comes to creating shots by using different lenses. I've been thinking about experimenting with visuals but like I said, I'm quite the newbie. More specifically though I want to get that eerie Kubrickian (e.g. 'The Shining') shot where he uses wider-angle lenses which I think is super effective and visually stunning.

    I was also watching something on Gareth Edwards, director of 2010's 'Monsters' and he filmed on digital using the body of some kind of camera of which I have no idea. But he was able to attach DSLR lenses to it to give it that small DoF all on a pretty minuscule budget with the help of prosumer software to superimpose effects.

    What do you guys think about the future of film being shot digitally?

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    Gareth Evans shot "Monsters" on a Sony PMW-EX3 with a Letus Ultimate 35mm adaptor on the front using 35mm Nikon stills camera lenses.

    "Kandahar Break" appears also to have been shot using a 2/3" camera and an adaptor.

    "Merantau" was shot using a P+S Technik Pro35 adaptor on a Panasonic camera.

    "Dear Wendy" was shot by Anthony Dod Mantle using a P+S Technik adaptor on a Sony HD camera head tethered to a separate recorder.

    Digital "films" are now affordable for many more aspirants. In time, finding the pearls among many more common stones may become much more difficult for non-maintream audiences as a greater population of low-budget product features grows.

    • CommentAuthordrneolao
    • CommentTimeJun 25th 2011
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    I'm loving my dSLR for video. The DoF is great, but can be tricky to work around as there is no auto focus while filming. Since mine is a crop sensor and not a full frame sensor, I need to step back to get more in the frame.

    Shooting on a 50mm lens gets some great looks, but not too useful indoors. For inside, I'd need a wider lens, like a 35mm or a 20mm.

    As Darangula Films said, with the price of production dropping it becomes easier to create projects, but the quality goes down because people put less effort in.

    For comparison: publishing an article. Just thirty years ago, if you wanted lots of people to read your article, it had to be published - either in a newspaper or a magazine. And you had to be good. Today, look at how hard it is to create a blog - likewise, look at the quality of the average post...

    • CommentAuthorMuzmon
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2011
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    azchn0 sez

    "I talked to my stepdad/camera repair guy the other day and he reckons it might have something to do with getting the full frame when it's being recorded? I'm not entirely sure; digital supposedly doesn't capture as well as DV but I guess that's another issue entirely. "

    It's really hard to figure what he's referring to here. I believe video DSLRs scan most of the whole frame, but scale it down to create a 1080p video frame. I can't think why this would be important. Its arguably going to create a better picture than a smaller sensor (depending on leagues of other factors though)
    "DV" is a tremendously broad category, including things like the Red One and the Filmstream Viper depending on how you look at it. So no, a DSLR isn't going to be as good as those.

    He might be talking about colour sampling. Most DSLRs don't store the colour data from every photosite (dot on the sensor). They alternate through one of a variety of patterns. I think most of the ones you'll encounter use what they call 4:2:2. I won't go on and on about what that all means. The point is that nothing else does better than that either. Full colour sampling (4:4:4) does not exist natively on any system under about $10,000 that I'm aware of. If that's what he's talking about.

    You'll have to be more explicit about what you've heard and from whom. DSLRs have changed the game in enormous ways. Everyone I know who makes films or wants to has been falling all over themselves to get hold of them for the last few years. Back when standard definition miniDV systems came out many were raving about how they were a revolution apt to put filmmaking in the hands of the masses.
    They were wrong. The masses' version of the cameras were ultimately rubbish. These things on the other hand have actually put a worthwhile image within reach of just about anyone who can scrape together $1500. That's a revolution.

    • CommentAuthorMuzmon
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2011
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    I lie. DSLRs shoot video with 4:2:0 chroma sampling. The cheapest thing that does 4:2:2 is the Panasonic hvx200 video camera which goes for about five grand these days. A fine machine no doubt, but it's fixed lens and shoots an anamorphic frame (ie, the picture it records is actually smaller than true HD, squished horizontally and then unsquished on playback)
    Yes, weighing up all these things when trying to buy something is oh so much fun for hours and days and days and weeks. And then something new comes out!

    • CommentAuthordrneolao
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2011
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    How much difference do you think a matte box makes on a dSLR?

    I was looking around at them and the cheapest I've seen start at the $400 mark, which seems silly to me considering what they are.

    Not sure if it's worth the effort of making one (doesn't seem too hard) or just using a lens hood (which are dirt cheap off eBay).

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    If you are serious about your work ????? Flags plus filters.

    The 4x4 filters don't come cheap either.

    This might get you started.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Proaim-Compendium-Jumbo-Matte-Box-fr-DSLR-DV-HDV-kamera-/370501177910?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item5643975236

    There are variations on this product. You need to make sure the version you order has the mattebox bridge support and upright, the rods and the adjustable bridgeplate/tripod mount.

    There are other Indian matteboxes however the jumbo mattebox is the only one I know. I can't speak for the others.

    You need to be a bit careful with the slide holders. Some are a bit snug for Schneider filters. The Tiffens seem to fit slightly easier.

    You may need to skim a thin layer off the inner faces of the slide frames. Earlier examples were tighter. Later they seemed to be better.

    You may need to add small spring washers under the thumbnuts which hold the flags to their hingepins.

    Some semi-hardening water-cleanup bathroom sealer to immobillise the flags on the hingepins won't hurt either.

    Don't use a lot, just enough to stop the flags from working the thumbnuts loose but not too much that you cannot tear it away.

    There is a threaded collar which holds rubber donuts in around the lens to keep backlight from reflecting off the rear of the glass filters back towards the lens. Try to avoid getting it hot in the back of a car as it is plastic and it will shink and become tight on the threads.

    You won't be able to get enough friction on the long hingepin which supports the upper flag. You need to prop it on the two side flags which have swing extensions on them.

    Those are the breaks when you buy this cheaper mattebox but the build quality and utility is otherwise adequate.

    The vendor "cinecity" which posts the same product from time-to-time on eBay has been reliable for three orders I have requested.

    • CommentAuthorMuzmon
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2011
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    Yeah, I think it's matter of your level of financial commitment. If you just want a bit more contrast, cut out some flares etc, a lens hood will probably do the trick a lot of the time. Or the old blackened icecream container.
    But if you want real control for your good lenses, particularly wides (and they're the most expensive, it seems), want to be able to change filters readily and so on, you're going to want something strong and adjustable. That's really where the money goes (and if you want or have a box of Tiffen plates, $400 won't seem like much). Clip on lens hoods for wider angles are mostly pretty limited in their usefulness I think. And sometimes you only want a bit of help on top or on one side and you can't rely on a person with a bit of black card for whatever reason.
    Not essential, but it depends what you're into really. (I'm not hardcore enough as yet)